Lilly & Jack Sullivan: Mom ATTACKED step-dad claim! Polygraph, cadaver dogs, interesting search map

Good morning everyone. My name is Michelle. I hope you’re doing well. Welcome to another video. It is Friday morning, the 9th of May. In this video, we’re continuing the coverage of the missing siblings over in Lansdown Station, Nova Scotia, Canada. six-year-old Lily and four-year-old Jack Sullivan have been missing now for a whole week.

 I think it’s a little before 10 that their stepdad Daniel Martell realized they were missing. In his words to the media and oh, he’s speaking to the media a lot. He said that Lily came in the room a couple of times. They told them to quieten down. Jack and Lily were up and about, rambunctious. Lily came in the room a couple of times.

 He could hear Jack in the kitchen. They were probably hungry. They were probably trying to get their own breakfast, I would imagine, at that time. And then it went quiet. Few minutes later, he went out. They weren’t in the kitchen. They weren’t in their bedrooms. They weren’t anywhere in the trailer.

 The only other place they could have been is in the backyard. Now, the backyard is fenced in. As I talked about yesterday, I was surprised. I thought it was all open, but no, it’s fenced in, but there is a route. You can see where they go around that little obstacle and there’s a gap in the fence. So, they could have got through.

 He estimates it’s about 20 minutes from them last being heard to him realizing they were gone. He jumped in his vehicle. He drove all around everywhere looking in culverts, kneedeep in water. Couldn’t find them. and their mother, meanwhile, Malia Brooks Murray, had called 911. So, by the time Daniel got back, first responders were already on the scene.

That’s Daniel’s story. Okay, we’ve only heard once from Malaya last Saturday. She gave a short interview to the media. Later that day, it all kicked off. Malaya’s family and Daniel’s family, it all kicked off. Daniel’s mother had to kick them off the property and Malaya and the 18-month-old that her and Daniel share, they went they went with the family and they’ve been there ever since.

 Cindy Murray, who is Malaya’s mother, briefly spoke to the media the other day and she said the cops have told them not to talk to the media. Now, I don’t know whether that’s true. I don’t know whether they’ve told Daniel not to talk to the media, but if they have, then he isn’t listening. He’s talking. Look, I’m not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

 I’m not going to say he’s talking to the media too much and it’s suspicious. As some people are. Parents and stepparents of missing children can’t win. If they don’t talk to the media, that’s suspicious and you want them to talk. But if they talk to the media too much, that’s suspicious, too. So what’s the right amount to talk to the media? I don’t know.

 But in my opinion, it’s not how many times they talk to the media. It’s what they say that’s important. You know, they could hold a press conference every single day if they wanted for me because I want to listen to them. I want to hear everything they’ve got to say. I want to see if there’s inconsistencies with what they’re saying.

 I want to do that for myself. So don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. If Daniel’s talking, let him talk. In this video, I’m going to talk a little bit more about Daniel, but I also want to talk some about the search. As we know, after six full days of really intensive searching, hoping to find them alive. They scaled back the search.

 Now, that doesn’t mean to say that they’ve stopped completely. Locals have been informing. They’ve been in my comment section, been in the Facebook groups, uh been on panels now saying that the search hasn’t stopped. The huge presence, you know, the 150 searchers and law enforcement and dogs and all that.

 That’s not there anymore, but there are targeted searches. So, the helicopter was doing rounds yesterday and they had teams looking in water sources. It’s a large lake not too far from their house. I think it’s called Landown Lake. Um I don’t know how well these water sources have been searched, but that’s what they seem to be doing yesterday.

 And also I found out why, well, I think this is why anyway, that no cadaavver dogs were used cuz I was really surprised at the press conference when they said that they hadn’t utilized cadaavver dogs. Now look, in the initial stages of any missing person’s case, you are hoping and praying to find them alive and in many many cases that absolutely happens.

Somebody gets lost, could be child, could be an adult, gets lost in the woods or gets injured and can’t make their way back to safety. And within the first couple of days, that’s what you’re hoping. But as the days tick by from two, the magic 48 hours to 3 days to 4 days and so on, the chances of them being alive reduce significantly.

 Especially young children, an adult, as long as they’re not injured, but they’re just lost, they might have the common sense to find shelter, even make a shelter, to find some food potentially. But people have sustained themselves on leaves and bugs and stuff like that. I mean, there’s some stories of people surviving for a long time out in the wild when they’re lost.

 But you’re not going to die after a week of no food. A week of no water, completely different story. However, two little kids not going to have the knowledge, the common sense, the capacity to do anything like that that an adult might be able to do. So, when they say that the strong chance now that they’re no longer alive and it’s no longer a rescue, it becomes a recovery.

 And when it’s a recovery, then there’s no rush, is there? To be frank? and the investigation phase like the criminal side, the major crimes unit, they step up a gear and they look at all the original interviews. They want to do further interviews. They want to collect as much surveillance and they’ll be going through that surveillance not just once but multiple times.

 They’ll want to look at cell phones. Now, people have said that there’s no cell coverage there, but how do they call 911? Do they have a landline? Or do they have Wi-Fi and they can call over Wi-Fi? I don’t know. I mean, look, this is sounding more and more and more like Canada’s somewhere else case cuz searches in uh that case had to bring in mobile cell masts and they have done in this case.

 I I don’t know whether I’ve got the photo, but I saw a photo of a mobile cell mass being uh erected. Anyho, I’m glad that the searches are continuing. I want to play you just a minute or so of this. This is from CTV and this is someone called Chris Lewis, CTV’s news public safety analyst. It’s kind of interesting.

 staff sergeant in charge of the investigative side of this uh said he the things he couldn’t say. Uh at the same time it’s very very uh intense and very thick uh area that they’re searching very difficult to traverse even for trained adults let alone children. So they’ve obviously made the decision that they don’t believe the kids have got further than their their perimeter the area they’ve already searched.

 So they want to go back and research it. And uh he also specifically said there’s areas that they want to revisit. So So why is that? Uh it’s it’s disturbing to me that they think the children may not be alive. Uh but the RCMP are really good at this. Big searches and investigations. And so they know something we don’t.

 And we have to trust them that hopefully these kids will be found alive. And uh and and they’ll if possible they will do so. They’re bound to know things we don’t. you know, they’ve interviewed the key people, but more than that, in relation to the search itself, cops have they have way more knowledge than we do.

 Now, I found this on a Facebook group last night, and I thought this was really interesting. Somebody screenshotted the search map that was displayed. So, the center is the home and then you’ve got the rings out. I think they said 2.2 or 2.5 km, which is about a mile and a half in all directions.

 Now look, they didn’t go in all directions, did they? Now we don’t know what day this was from. This could have been from like just the first couple of days. They may have filled in the rest of this. We don’t know. But if this is an initial search map, look at the direction they were in. Look at it. So a bit to the south, bit to the north, but mainly west and virtually nothing going east.

 Now, is that because Daniel said that they never crossed the road and they concentrated on the areas that the kids know? We’ve heard from Daniel that they’ve built cabins in the woods and things. We know that when Daniel’s met with the cops, he’s drawn them maps of places to go. Now, somebody made a more easy to understand map using program called Scribble Maps.

This is really good. There’s the center. And then 0.5, 2.5, 4, 6, 8 kilometers. I have to convert it all to miles. But we know they did. I’m sure it was 2.2 or 2.5 radius. So, just zoom this in a little bit more. And what you see is that it’s this woods behind the house. And I think this is the gas pipeline coming down here.

 I think it is the gas pipeline if that indeed is the gas pipeline is just 3/4 of a mile from their house as the crow flies. So 7 almost 3/4 of a mile. So not that far even for two kids. Not that far and it is possible to get there. There’s this road, you know, if they got to this road up this road to that far and then there’s a lot of open areas.

 I mean, there’s a lot of really dense areas, but there’s a lot of more open areas. Even the open areas though might be hazardous. You know, the stuff around here that looks fine to walk in and you get there and it really isn’t because it’s like overgrown and you can’t tell on the map. But if that’s the gas pipeline, there was a rumor early on that on Saturday, children’s bootprints were found on the gas pipeline.

 But there was also a rumor that the footprints were found closer to the home, like near the driveway. So, I kind of discounted the C gas pipeline thing. But looking at the search map, I’m thinking, is that why they focused in this area initially, thinking that they’ve gone to the gas pipeline, walked along the gas pipeline, and maybe tried to get home, but they obviously don’t know how far they have walked the pipeline.

 But what if they walked the pipeline this way? What if they got out of the search area? Like walking on the pipe, that’s going to be easier to walk, isn’t it? easier to walk than through the woods. So, there is a possibility that they did wander off. Why they wanted to, why they went, were they looking for food? Were they on an adventure? You know, Lily packs her backpack.

 They want to head out because they’re bored. I have no idea. But it is possible. We We have to keep that in play. Don’t throw that out like saying, “Oh, they would have been found by now.” because it’s incredibly difficult in terrain like that. Things get so easily missed. Evidence, even bodies get so easily missed.

 But I was saying about the cadaavver dogs and then I went off on a tangent. There’s actually only 12 cadaavver dogs in the whole of Canada and only one in the province. So perhaps they don’t use cadaavver dogs in just to searches. The main dogs that are important in the early stages are the live scent trackers, you know, tracking live people.

 But generally in this country and generally in the United States as I’ve seen cadaavver dog teams are used as well like to run over the property to go through the house to go through vehicles to go through specific areas that you know someone may have been potentially murdered or something happened and they run the cadaavver dogs just in case.

 But they haven’t in this case at the press conference they said that they’d not use cadaavver dogs. Like the working theory was that they’d wandered off. Once it was realized that if they wandered off they’re no longer alive. Then that was it. But again the search hasn’t stopped. It’s just been scaled back. But if there’s only 12 cadaavver dogs in the whole of Canada then they probably have to use them sparingly.

 So that must be the reason why I want to just talk about Daniel for a little bit. Daniel is still talking to the media. There’s all sorts of theories and rumors and and things like that going on at the moment. He says that they’re flying someone in to give him a polygraph. That he’s asked for a polygraph. There’s none in the area.

 So they’re flying someone in to give him a polygraph. it. You said they’re flying in someone to do a polygraph test. Is that on you? Uh, that’s not just on me, but on everyone. That’s what I asked for. I asked for that so early on, and there’s not many places that do it in Canada, so they’re flying somebody in.

Why do you think you need to do that? Do you think they don’t believe you? Uh, I think their side of the family doesn’t believe me. And I just want to clear clear it up for everybody. Clear it up for everyone, not just the people online making crazy accusations. and everything else. I’ve got news for you, Daniel.

 If you’re completely innocent, you doing a polygraph and passing is not going to stop the internet rumors. It’s not. Look, we know polygraphs are not admissible in court for a very good reason. You can fool a polygraph. The polygrapher can ask the wrong questions. You can pass when you’re guilty. You can fail when you’re completely innocent.

People aren’t going to believe you. Even if you pass a polygraph. So if you want to take a polygraph just for that reason, then I don’t know. I don’t know what I tell you. I really don’t know what I tell you. But somebody went into the Facebook groups yesterday to defend him. Posted anonymously.

 I’m just going to put this out here. I know the stepfather for a very long time and never once has he shown me any signs of anger. He was always good to the kids and does not do any heavy drugs. He’s a kind, polite guy. I’m not just saying this because I know him, but I don’t think he had anything to do with this. He has been following all police orders.

He let them screech, I think, search the property over and over. He offered them a drug test, a lie detector test. He also gave them his laptop and cell phone to be looked at. He has nothing to hide. When all this comes out, he didn’t do it. I hope a lot of you are ashamed of yourself.

 He took care of those kids more than the mother did. Sometimes the nicest people can be monsters. I understand that. But I can honestly say I don’t think he would ever do this. I think he was probably threatened really bad. If he says something, he may die or he just really doesn’t know what happened. He’s out there looking for them hours and hours.

 The mom isn’t even caring to look. Now, people rightly said that we don’t know who this is. It’s an anonymous person. It could be Daniel. Could be somebody from Daniel’s family to bolster his uh reputation. I take it with a grain of salt. I just find it interesting. Some of the comments are also interesting because this uh person comes back and says, “You guys all don’t know that more than twice she so Malaya has got drunk and attacked him and he didn’t even raise a finger back to her.

 He wasn’t an aggressive guy at all. You could be a woman and push him over and he would just stand there. It’s food for thought, isn’t it? That when she’s drunk, she attacks him. Wow, that is food for thought. Was she doing this to the children as well? Did he see this happen firsthand? Does the administration of the page know who you are? Anonymous participant.

 Why are you posting this anonymously then? Anonymous participant wants to know why. do what this person is posting anonymously. Oh dear. But no, look, seriously, I thought that was interesting. There’s two sides to every story. There’s a reason why her family were kicking off. And what’s this about? That if you say something, he might die.

I mean, what’s that about? I’ve said from the jump that there’s stuff here that we don’t know. Now, maybe the cops know. Maybe the cops are discounting some stuff. Maybe they’re following up on certain things. Maybe there’s the leads that they’re not talking about that they mention at the press conference.

 Maybe there is family stuff that we don’t know about that that is of uh importance in this case. We don’t know what we don’t know. So, let’s keep a truly open mind about everything. I don’t have a number one theory yet. Like normally by this point I’m starting to develop a theory of what most likely happened and then I’ll have my second theory and my third theory and I I follow the evidence.

 But at this point we don’t have a great deal of evidence. But that search map’s really interesting. All right guys, let me know what you think in the comments and I’ll see you in the next video. Bye folks.